Hi. I wish I had found this site years ago. And specifically your article on vitamin A toxicity. Do you know of any specific methods of dealing with suspected vitamin A toxicity other than supplementing with vitamin D? I have given my sosocid liver oil for years on the recommendation of my naturopath. He was in perfect health until this past year when he suddenly started contracting list of respiratory infections. I suspected low vitamin D and started supplementing him but only at an additional 800 IU. He was still getting cod livet oil. I bought your home test and he was at a 40. I tested him again this summer and he was at 23. That was a few months after he started feeling a weird tickling it vibration in his throat. After the second test I started to suspect vitaim a toxicity and upped his vitamin D to 2500 IU and got him in the sun as much as possible. By September he was back up at 36 according to your test and the throat vibration was gone. It seems to come back slightly is he has any preformed vitamin A so I have cut all dairy, eggs, butter, and commercial almond milk out of his diet. Anything else you can think of or research you can point me towards. I am getting no help from my doctors. What tests should I have done? Thank you so much for any wisdom you can share.

Asked by  Joanne on October 12, 2015

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  • Joanne
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    See title

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  • IAW
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    What is a “sosocid”?

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  • Joanne
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    Sorry! I meant “son”. Must have been a phone autocorrect that I missed.

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    How old is your son and how much does he weigh?

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    His just turned six in July. He weighs about 44 lbs but he just grew a half inch and I didn’t weigh him since. He has been finally growing quite a bit since upping his vitamin D in late July and getting him more sun. But we live in Montana and he has darker Italian skin tone like me. He tans easily but we are done with vitamin D from the son for this year. I am considering getting a vitamin D lamp. I’m wondering if I should give him more than 2500 IU now that the sun is low. He went from 23 to 36 in 5 weeks with both lots of Sun and 2500 IIU.

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    I am not a doctor or scientist, I am a member of the VDC.
    So the council’s recommendation is to give children 1000iu of Vitamin D for every 25lbs of body weight. So for your son that would equal 2000iu.They do also have an upper limit of 2000iu per 25lbs of body weight.so that would make it 4000iu for him. We promote having a blood level of 50ng/ml.
    Now if I understand correctly he had a level of 40 with the CLO and then did you stop it and that is how he ended up with a level of 23? Now he has a level of 36 which still is not 50ng/ml and that contained summer sun. I think you should give him more. I would try the 4000iu for winter or at least something between 3-4000.
    Please make sure he gets the co-factors to go with vitamin d at http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-and-other-vitamins-and-minerals/.(especially magnesium)
    As for the preformed Vitamin A and toxicity, there is nothing “to deal with it”. I really feel though that this is not his issue. Perhaps he just needed more Vitamin D then the CLO could give him and the symptoms were more from the D deficiency. It’s just a thought!

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    Ok, so if he should get 2000 IU for normal maintenance, then he will most likely need more to correct a deficiency without additional sunlight. I figured that amount was good when he was in the sun a lot but was trying to figure out how to adjust now. I will start giving him 3000 for now to see if he tolerates that well. I tried giving him magnesium but he immediately got loos stools so he doesn’t have a deficiency there. He eats great, lots of veggies, seeds and nuts. I tried the link above but it didn’t work. I continue to put magnesium oil on his feet before bed and epsom salts in his bath occasionally to let his skin modulate if he needs more.

    He tested at 40 about a month after I started supplementing him with more vitamin while still getting the CLO. He was probably getting 1200 IU at the time. He started getting sick less so I think we were doing well at that time. But then he got sick in March with a really weird illness that was weeks of coughing, sporadic nausea, bloody nose, eye discharge etc. I thought that I had given him too much vitamin D so I gave him some vitamin A. Then I started to realize that I didn’t know what was going on so I stopped giving him both. It wasn’t until the end of April that I started giving him CLO again and throat vibration started that week. He also had a lot of coconut oil that week. In June, I tried a new CLO with 2500 IU vitamin A and less D. The old one only had 800 IU. We also had some liver that week. His throat symptoms increased within a couple of days. That is when I started to think it was too much vitamin A. I stopped the CLO and other vitamins but nothing changed. I then brought him in to have the vitamin D tested in July when it came back at 23. I think the vitamin A drove the D even lower Because he was getting a lot of sun too. After getting the results I started 2500IU and mid day sun everyday we could with no vitamin A and the throat tickling started to go away the first day. It seems to come back just a little every time he eats something with vitamin A. Beta carotene doesn’t effect him. His hands and feet are a little orange.

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    OK try again http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-and-other-vitamins-and-minerals/.
    He probably does get enough magnesium in his diet. (If you do not already know do not get magnesium oxide. It is not very bio-available and is more likely to cause loose stools.)
    Does he take a multi vitamin and if so did you check it for preformed A?
    The other thing you can do is if he does come down with a cold, you could try giving him a little more Vitamin D for a few days. It could make the cold less severe or not last as long. Hopefully if he is getting enough “D” though, he will not get any colds.
    If I did not answer all your questions or you have more let me know!

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  • Joanne
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    Thank you! Yes, we have Calm magnesium citrate. He gets plenty of vitamin K1 but K2 will be hard now since he can’t have the things that its in. But I think he had plenty in the past and should be able to eat them again when his D is up. He no longer takes a multivitamin for the same reason that the supplemental vitamin A was too much. His diet is good. He didn’t need the extra iodine in the multi because I supply it through sea veggies. I think the low vitamin D, too much vitamin A and iodine and the coconut oil all cause a little hyperthyroidism that was causing the throat vibration. Thank you for your help!

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