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Hello from Greece. Lately i was having muscle aches, back problems and i am on menopause so i checked my D3 levels and it was 11 only. Last year it was 33. I started D3 & K2 supplementation (2000 daily) and i immediately felt nausea, i reduced to 1000 but the same nausea all day long. Its been 5 days now and it doesnt go away. I guess i will stop taking the d3 & k2 supplement. PS I am also taking magnesium which helps me a lot with my back. Also my calcium levels were normal and my BMI was perfectly ok. Any suggestions? Thank you

Asked by  Kelly1 on May 15, 2017

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  •  Kelly1 on

    See title

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  •  IAW on

    Hello Greece!
    Is the D3 and K2 a combination pill or two separate things? (If you stop the K2 will the nausea go away?)
    How much and what kind of magnesium are you taking and when did you start taking it? (Days, weeks, months?)
    I realize your calcium levels are normal but do you have any other symptoms of hypercalcemia include: feeling sick or being sick, poor appetite or loss of appetite, feeling very thirsty, passing urine often, constipation or diarrhea, abdominal pain, muscle weakness or pain, feeling confused, feeling tired and bone pain?
    Now keep the following in mind. Standard blood tests for such things as Calcium, Magnesium, Potassium and Phosphorus ONLY measure “serum levels” of these minerals. Serum levels are a “very, very small percentage” of what is actually needed and stored in a human body.” So blood tests can be within the normal range and you can still be deficient in one or all of the minerals.
    Nausea does show up under Hypokalemia which is low potassium. It also shows up under low B12. I have had many people with very low D levels also say they were diagnosed with low B12 levels and nausea can come under that too.
    If none of that works, then do you take any supplemental calcium?

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  •  Kelly1 on

    Thank you very much for your answer. I am taking Now D3 & K2 (one pill combined) but i tried also D3 alone (D3 fix) with no difference at all. For magnesium i am taking for a month 180 mg of Magnesium L Aspartame which gave me a good relief from the back ache. Today i tried Solgar Magnesium oxide with vit.6 400 mg. From the symptoms you mentioned i have only nausea and been thirsty. For low potassium i dont know since i eat a lot of bananas, but it might be the case with B12 but why it started when i took the D3 immediately? Before that i never had nausea. Something new just now i started to have mild ache in my right kidney and my heart aches… I guess i will go to the doctor tomorrow morning, these are symptoms i have for the first time. I want to ask you if MSM could help in decalcification (if it is calcification symptoms). I also cant really understand how can i have so low D3 with good bmi and calcium. For the calcium i dont see the need to take it, and as i feel right now my problems arrived with d3 supplements. Thanks a lot!

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  •  IAW on

    So we can rule out the K2.
    Magnesium oxide is not the most bioavailable form to take. Anything that ends in an “ate” is good. I think the Solgar Aspartame is really Aspartate and that is a good one. Now you tried 400mg of the “Oxide” today.The next thing I was going to say is that 180mg is probably not enough. You should try 2 or 3 times that. The worse thing that will happen is that you might end up with “loose bowels” and then you would have to decrease the amount you take. I usually try and split my magnesium up between 2-3 meals.
    The nausea and thirsty could still mean a hypersensitivity to Vitamin D and you can read about that here at https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitamin-d-hypersensitivity/. You do not have to have all the symptoms. Usually calcium levels do increase and yours is OK you said.
    Vitamin D uses up a lot of minerals and vitamins in order to do it’s job. So if your low on any of these things, it would happen all of a sudden once you take a large enough amount of Vitamin D.That’s why low magnesium shows up quickly because it is already lacking in people’s diets. Also when they have really low Vitamin D3 levels, then there is a lot of “repair work” that needs to be done.
    Now I just looked up how Vitamin D is measured in Greece. So your 11 is probably measured as nmol/l. Here is the USA it is measured as ng/ml. So your 11 equals 4ng/ml. We promote maintaining a healthy level of 50ng/ml and that translates to 125nmol/l.You are VERY deficient. You could very well have Osteomalacia and it will take a lot of minerals and vitamins to correct.
    I cannot comment on the MSM.
    You said “I also cant really understand how can i have so low D3 with good bmi and calcium”. I am not sure why you are connecting a good BMI with low Vitamin D and I did say above that you could be low on calcium and it will NOT show on blood work.
    So it is very hard for me to tell if the D has caused a “hyper” situation OR it has caused a “hypo” situation with a mineral or vitamin or both. If it is “hyper” then you can damage internal organs in the long run but it usually does not happen overnight that I know of. If mineral levels go “too low” they can be life threatening.
    Let me know what the doctor thinks.

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  •  Kelly1 on

    Hello again! The doctor said it was a reaction of d3 supplementation, he has seen some other people sensitive to d3. He doesnt know why it happens, he said it might be because i am vegeterian and i cant absorb it… In past i used to formate kidney stones because i wasnt drinking enough water, maybe i got more calcium i dont know. He told me to take 1000 per week and see how it goes. For now i will start sunbathing and see. I looked at my d3 blood tests anc it is measured in ng/ml, so it is 11. I also want to ask you if its ok after the sunbath to apply pure coconut oil, because it extends the time of sun exposion, i will put it when i will start to become pink.
    Are these d3 skin creams effective?
    My last option will be the sperti lamp.
    Any other suggestions will be helpful. Thank you

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  •  IAW on

    If you have a “true” hypersensitivity then any form of Vitamin D even from sunshine will probably give you adverse reactions.
    As far as I know applying coconut oil after sunbathing should not matter but I cannot comment on if it “extends” anything.
    I am not sure what you mean by D3 creams? Do you mean creams with D3 in them that you apply to your skin instead of ingesting D3? If so then yes they can be effective see https://www.vitamindwiki.com/Topical+vitamin+D+raised+blood+level+to+38+ng+%28better+compliance+than+oral%29+%E2%80%93+RCT+March+2014.
    There is a vegan D3 and here is an example at http://vitashine-d3.com/. Just make sure any “vegan” is D3 and NOT D2.
    I would appreciate if you let me know if any of these work for you and or which ones.Then if someone else has this problem, I may be able to steer them to something that might help them.

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  •  Kelly1 on

    Hello again from sunny Greece!!! I am very good thanks to vitamin d! I started sunbathing and i was ok. The more i increased the exposure time the better i was feeling! It was a big change as my bach aches started improving. I realized i have to supplement. I researched a lot & found that an immune system which is low in d3 is not a healthy one, it is a compromised one and as soon as it gets boosted it attacks itself. Anyway i changed doctor and she prescribed me Deltius. The weird thing is i am ok with it! Today is the fourth day and i bought all the rest of the vitamins (A, K2, mag). I have to say that my back is 100% healthy again and i have energy, it is a true healing. What i want to ask you is about the dosage. The doctor prescribed 2000 for 2 montns and 1000 for the third month. Somehow i feel it is not enough. Of course i go for sunbathing 2-3 times per week. I was thinking to go slow and raise it 500 iu at least. What would be my levels after 2 months? A last question is can i skip taking vitamin A?
    Thank you so much for all the support

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  •  IAW on

    I am so glad you are feeling better!!!
    Let me see if I understand you correctly. Before when you took the supplemental Vitamin D, then you had nausea. Then it sounds like you started to sunbath and felt better with no nausea. Then a new doctor prescribed the Deltius which the internet tells me comes in either a 10,000iu or 25,000iu amount? Is this correct or does it come in smaller amounts? I am confused on the 2000 iu and 1000 iu.Then when you took that you did not get nauseated?
    So in a sense I think you are trying to ask if you do continue sunbathing will 1000 iu added to that be enough?
    Greece is around 40 degrees latitude. That means from November thru February the sun will not be enough and you should take 5000 iu a day. During the months of March, April, May, September and October it will take a longer amount of time to get the same amount of Vitamin D that you can make in June, July and August. So if you are light skinned then in the summer it could take 10 minutes and in the spring and fall it could take 20 minutes. If you were dark skinned then summer could be 45 minutes and spring and fall could be 60 minutes.
    So 1000iu a day over the next two months WITH sunbathing might be enough. During Sept and Oct, if you still sunbath, maybe you should boost that to 3000 iu.Then 5000 iu for Nov, Dec, Jan and Feb.
    Sunshine does give other benefits but if say for example starting in October you cannot sunbath, then you should be taking 5000 iu a day.
    It is really hard to tell what your levels might be if you are doing both.
    If you think there is enough Vitamin A in your diet, then yes you can skip extra. Here in the USA they do fortify a lot of foods with it.
    If you do not understand some of the things I said, just let me know!

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  •  Kelly1 on

    The misunderstanding lies here: the Deltius drops are 10.000iu the whole bottle, the whole 50 drops of it! It says one drop equals to 200iu. I am taking 10 drops, 2000iu & the doctor told me to decrease it into 5 drops, 1000iu on the third month! One day i added 400iu more & felt better! What do you recommend?

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  •  Kelly1 on

    Also, to confirm again: i had nausea with Now Foods vit.3 & k2 and with d3 fix, but not with Deltius drops.

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  •  IAW on

    I’m not sure why the two D’s listed above caused the nausea. Either it is the inactive ingredients or Vitamin D3 comes from two sources. One is lanolin and the other is fish oil. “BioTech” brand is made from lanolin and is “void of dyes, talc, binders, artificial colors and synthetic flavors.” So I do not know if this information might help for the future. Can you get the Delitus drops on your own without the doctor?
    Thanks for clarifying the “drops”! Now that I understand that, “yes you need to take more than what the doctor suggests. You can try any of the following. Take 5000 iu a day and sunbath. Your levels will be higher for the summer but really should not cause any issues. The other thing you can do is what I suggested in the last post which may take some “trial and error”. Since you are already sunbathing and taking 2000iu but you felt better taking more, than take 3000 iu a day. The other thing you could try is taking 5000 iu on the days there is “no” sunbathing and do not take any on the days you do.
    The problem was/is the amount of sun bathing was/is not enough to make up for the low level or to give you enough. That is why you feel better on the drops. Once you get your level high enough, then you have to maintain it or else you will get sick again. The average adult weighing 150lbs has to take 5000 iu a day to do this if there is no sunshine exposure or very little.
    So to say it another way. The days you sunbath are only probably getting you enough Vitamin D for that day.
    Let me know if you nee more information or I wasn’t clear enough.

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  •  Kelly1 on

    That is the best solution to take more when i am not sunbathing. About the Deltius drops yes i can purchase without the prescription.
    Thank you again wishing you all a happy summer!

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