Asked by avtarb86323100 on December 7, 2015
IAW on December 7, 2015 at 1:51 pm
Well I have not seen any direct studies or links but that doesn’t mean anything.
My first question though is the vitamin d levels measured as nmol/l or ng/ml? It makes a BIG difference. How much vitamin d was in a tablet and what kind was it D3 OR D2? Did you take it daily or weekly?
I am not a doctor or scientist but depending on how you answer the above questions might give me more insight to answer you better.Answered by IAW on December 7, 2015 at 1:51 pm
avtarb86323100 on December 7, 2015 at 3:41 pm
Hi IAW, I’m not sure how they measure it in the UK, I just know my figures in September 2014 were 11. This coincided with the start of me getting flue like symptoms (body ache) post exercise. I was put on 20IU per week but I struggled with the dosage, or at least that’s how it felt. So I went on a smaller dose for a few months. By the end of 2014 my levels were 53 and by end of Jan 2015 they were 91 so I came off the tablets. I am Asian (Indian) living in the UK and with a desk based job so little sun on my skin.
I should have stayed on the tablets as now (almost a year later) my levels are down to 23 despite a few holiday in the sun.
This is the link to a Hyperventilation Syndrome site that shows the symptoms, as i said, it can be overlaid with Vit D ones as they are basically identical.Answered by avtarb86323100 on December 7, 2015 at 3:41 pm
avtarb86323100 on December 7, 2015 at 3:44 pm
Sorry IAW, I was put on D3, Im currently taking 10k IU per day, 5 in a tablet form, and 5 in a liquid spray. I also have a tanning style bed with 2 x different types of Vit D tubes, they operate between 200 – 220nm, its an expensive full length medical bed, I only use it 3 times per week for 5-7 minutes a time.Answered by avtarb86323100 on December 7, 2015 at 3:44 pm
IAW on December 7, 2015 at 4:31 pm
I am pretty sure the UK measures as nmol/l. That means your 23 translates to 9 ng/ml and that is extremely low. Even when you were taking it and reached 96 that translates to 38ng/ml. We recommend a level of 50ng/ml or slightly better. If you have a health issue you may need a level of 80ng/ml. (in nmol/l that is 200)
When you took the 20iu I assume you meant 20,000iu? What did you mean be struggle? Are you taking any supplemental magnesium?
As you said you should not have stopped because unless you get a lot more time in the sun or a sunbed your levels will go right back to being low. With darker skin you will have to spend more time in the sun then a light skinned person. Vitamin D is used all over the human body and a lot is needed everyday.
So I think the only way you will know if it is intertwined is to work at getting your level to a minimum of 50ng/ml (125nmol/l) and see if your symptoms go away. If they get better but do not go all the way away, then I would try and go up to 80ng/ml (200nmol/l).
Vitamin D should only make you better not worse. If you start having any other symptoms you should let me know!
Anymore questions just ask. I also try and promote reading http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-and-other-vitamins-and-minerals/ it is very important!Answered by IAW on December 7, 2015 at 4:31 pm
avtarb86323100 on December 7, 2015 at 11:51 pm
Thanks again IAW, it is measured in nmol/L in the UK so my levels when 96 were still only 38ng/ml. I should have just stayed on the D, I now know I will be on it for life which is not a problem for me.
The issue I had with the 20,000iu was bursting out in white spots. My symptoms of bone pain worsened, I do think there is a correlation between increased pain and sensations as the Vit D gets to work on the bone,s perhaps some level of re-modeling takes place?
I am taking 250mg of Magnesium (has a mixture of Oxide, Stearate and Silicate). 15mg of Zinc with Copper. A multivitamin which includes B12, D3, Folic Acid, Selerium, B1, B2, Iodine, B5, B6, A, B3 and C.
I also eat Edam cheese daily which is naturally high in Vitamin K.Answered by avtarb86323100 on December 7, 2015 at 11:51 pm
IAW on December 8, 2015 at 5:17 am
No if you start to have pain then you may be taking too much Vitamin D or you have an underlying condition and the Vitamin D is making it worse. Bone pain is also a sign of hypercalcemia. I would absolutely not take more than 10,000iu a day and if that gives you bone pain, then you should seek medical advice to see if you have hypercalcemia.Answered by IAW on December 8, 2015 at 5:17 am
avtarb86323100 on January 8, 2016 at 10:19 am
Update – I’ve bene on Vit D supplements now for 7 weeks, first 3 weeks were low does (sub 1k), last 4 weeks I have taken 10kIU per day and twice a week 5 minutes on my Androv Medical Vit D tube sun Bed (the 8000 model).
Had bloods done this week and my Vit D has shot up to 122 nmol/L which equates to 48 nm/ml. Went ot see Endo today as he thought my Testosterone was low on the first test, but ok today on the 2nd test. He advised I drop down to 1K IU per day, I don’t have much faith in hi Vit D understanding and he didn’t advise the 10kIU per day but I have bene deficient for a long time, probably years and want to keep building it up. What is the safe limit? I think I might go up to around 180 – 200 nmol/L which is 75 – 80 nm/ml, Also thinking about reducing to 5k per day now and not supplementing on days I use the light bed.Answered by avtarb86323100 on January 8, 2016 at 10:19 am
IAW on January 8, 2016 at 12:21 pm
Most importantly how are your symptoms of Hyperventilation syndrome doing?
Vitamin D does increase testosterone levels!!
Yes, I would not use his advice because 1000iu is too low. Most average weight people need 5000iu a day to reach 50ng/ml. The safe “official” amount to take is 10,000iu a day. A blood level of 75 – 80 ng/ml is fine to have.
I am not sure if the 5000iu, plus twice a week 5 minutes in the machine and NO Vitamin D on those two days is going to be enough for you. You may want to take 5000iu every day AND do the twice a week and see what happens? What do you think?Answered by IAW on January 8, 2016 at 12:21 pm
avtarb86323100 on January 8, 2016 at 2:43 pm
Thanks IAW, the Hyper-v (I’ve shortened the damn thing) symptoms are difficult to comment on as they are pretty identical to vitamin D symptoms so I could have been misdiagnosed. Its not like you can do a blood test for Hyper-V.
I’m generally feeling a bit better and tolerance to activities and recovery time from being whipped out after activities has come down. Still can’t even contemplate running. I’m taking a very good ionic Mag supplement and Vit K2 in MK-7 form together with a multi Vit and some Mineral supplements too. The 5 minutes on the bed should give me between 10k – 20k of Vit-D, it has two types of UVB tubes that produce light in the spectrum of 200-220nm. It’s a serious bit of kit, I’m dark (indian) skinned and don’t burn in the sun but Did on this the first time I used it for 3 minutes. I may stick on 10k IU for another month but two days on the bed without any additional supplements. My testosterone levels are fine after the 2nd test, I have also lost 4lb and plan to lose an additional 8lb as I have been overweight (mainly around my belly) for a while.
I’ve cut sugar out and I’m starting to feel more energetic and sleeping better too, could be the Vit D levels that are doing that. All said and done, I’m pleasantly surprised at how quick I have got my levels up, but this is a long standing issue, my boned will remodel and my cells will take time to repair I guess so will need to stay on a dose for life which is fine…Answered by avtarb86323100 on January 8, 2016 at 2:43 pm