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Hello. First of all I want to apologize for my bad English. I'm 31 and I first decided to test my D3 levels last year after reading some stuff about Vitamin D deficiency on the web. The lab results came 20ng/ml. I called my doctor and he told me that this is not a big concern and he gave me D3 drops to take orally. I did took my drops, but I didn't found any improvement and I stopped taking them after a couple of months.( later I understood that the dosage was so small considering my deficiency, probably 600 UI a day) Bad idea. Anyhow. I got married and decided to try for a kid with my wife. We tried for about a year before going to the doctors. I made a sperm analysis and the results were bad. I was eating good for the past year, I stopped alcohol, the cigarettes and the results came off bad. I was crushed. Anyway. My doctor told me that I have to check my D3 levels as new research found that D3 is very important for sperm quality. I told him that I did such a test last year and he told me to make another one and to supplement if the results are poor. I took another blood test today at licensed lab and the results are 11 ng/ml. Even worse than before. I'm very nervous about this. I'm suffering from anxiety for about 10 years, and have chronic back pain for about 2 years, my stomach is not well also. Could all these sufferings be from my D3 deficiency? I would like to ask you how to supplement, and at what dosage. I'm 31 male, pale skin, blue eyes, 185 lbs/84 kg. 11 ng/ml. I would like to up my levels to a healthy 45-50 at least. How much D3 a day and for how long should I take? Please help me, I've read so much bad things about this condition and I feel very depressed right now.

Asked by  Silenus on January 31, 2018

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  •  Silenus on

    See title

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  •  Silenus on

    I forgot to mention I also tested my Ca, Mg, Ka, Na, all within the normal ranges. Also checked my thyroid hormones year ago and was fine. I should probably say that I have stomach issues for years (heatburn, bad digestion) and I used medication(Nexium) for very-very-very long time which didn’t cured me, but produced some temporary relief upon taking it. I’ve stopped all pills since months, only using tums but very rarely. I’m saying all these because I believe it probably have some relation with my vitamin absorbtion. Another thing to note: Two years ago my weight was 100 kg. and I decided it’s too much and did alkaline died for two months and dropped 20 kg. Since then I’m trying to gain some weight up to 90 kg, because I feel that’s right for my height which is 1,90 m, but I’m unable to gain as I was used to before and I’m stuck at 83-84. That’s not a big issue for me, but still I thought it worth mentioning that I find it a bit difficult to gain weight.

    Another thing: I tend to stay away from the sun. I love the beach, but my skin is very light and I get heavy burns even using sunscreen. I use to stay under umbrella if I ever go to the beach. My eyes hurt in sunny days so I always wear sunglasses. I even wear them in cloudy days, because the daylight is kind of disturbing for my eyes.

    • This reply was modified 4 months, 3 weeks ago by  Silenus.
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  •  IAW on

    Anxiety, back pain, stomach issues, depression and infertility are all related to Vitamin D deficiency. Don’t worry we will make you “better”!
    Nexium can cause a magnesium deficiency which may not show in your blood work and can also cause anxiety.
    Too much weight gain and probably not being able to gain weight could be because of low Vitamin D levels. (You will have to come back and let me know if it is then easier to gain weight once you take enough Vitamin D.)
    One of the benefits to taking Vitamin D is that many of us light skinned people find our skin does not “burn” but instead tans really fast. The “sunlight” hurting your eyes may get better also.
    Are you going to be able to get retested by either your doctor or privately? (We do sell test kits.)
    Past dosages were way to small. With your weight and height and level, I would do this. Take 15,000iu of D3 everyday for 8 weeks and then you must retest your levels. Do not stop taking that amount until you get the results back and we then decide on a “maintenance dosage” for you. If your level is over 100 do not panic, it will not hurt you and then we will adjust down. Your level should end up well over 50 BUT if there are stomach absorption issues, then it may not. This is why we need to retest.
    Please read http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-and-other-vitamins-and-minerals/. It is very important.
    Come back and tell me what your level is in 8 weeks. If you start any new symptoms or old symptoms get worse when taking the Vitamin D, come back and tell me. It usually means a mineral or vitamin deficiency.
    Your wife’s Vitamin D level should be checked also because deficiency will cause fertility problems in females also. “”Healthy” levels for human’s should be 50ng/ml or higher. Below 40ng/ml and your risk for cancer and autoimmune disease rises “dramatically”. Low levels in the Mother can cause Autism. To have a healthy pregnancy she should take 6000-10,000iu a day.
    Your English is great! If you do not understand something I have said, let me know. If you have more questions, just ask!

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    •  Silenus on

      Thanks for you prompt reply! I bought Cholecalciferol D3 drops with trade name ‘Vigantol Oil’ and it was very cheap. I wonder whether it’s the right medication or there is better product I don’t know about? I prefer the drops solution, because I have some difficulty swallowing pills. (Always get stuck in my throat.) My fertility doc prescribed me ‘Andrositol’ which contains Myo-Inositol, L-Carnitine, L-Arginine, Folic Acid, Selenium and Vit E. I must take it. I also consider taking up to 2000 mg of Vit C as it is known to be very important for male fertility. Does taking any of these could interact with Vit D supplementing? I’m curious also whether it makes any difference taking Vit D supplement before or after meal? I’ll make my wife get tested as soon as possible. Thanks for you kindness!

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  •  IAW on

    First when I “google” Vigantol Oil what I find are drops that contain 20.000iu. Do you have something that contains less iu’s? If not I said take 15,000 iu a day BUT you should still be OK with the 20,000 iu a day. The product is probably fine to use. The only one the VDC will “personally” recommend is made by Biotech Pharmacal. Just to let you know their capsules that contain only Vitamin D are “very small, tiny capsules”. (A company in the USA that also makes drops in different amounts is Carlson’s who is an older, reliable company.)
    You absolutely have to take Vitamin D with a meal or a snack, that contains a “fat” so it will absorb.
    The Andrositol should be fine and not interact. I cannot comment on Vitamin C and fertility, I do not know. The Vitamin D will have a big impact.

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    •  Silenus on

      Thanks for the info, IAW! Yes, Vigantol contains 20.000 iu/ml which equals 40 drops according to the leaflet. For 15.000 iu I should take 30 drops a day if my math is right. I will look for Biotech, thanks for recommendation.

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  •  Silenus on

    Hi IAW, I have another question: Should I supplement with magnesium while I am taking D3? I have read that magnesium in bloodstream is only 1% of the total magnesium in our body and the blood tests are useless. I have involuntary muscle contractions all over my body every day and hour since forever. They are not unpleasant for me as I never have painful cramps, just bouncing muscles here and there while I’m resting. I always thought they are caused by my general anxiety and in fact happen very frequently even now while I’m typing. I’m used to these and although I feel them hundred times every day they don’t bother me that much. I also frequently have heart palpitations, also every day, but they are strangely connected with my stomach issues as I have them after meal or when I feel bloated or have heartburn, which also happens quite regularly. Just wondering whether I have magnesium deficiency or not and how could I know? What is you opinion? God I am a mess, but the worst part is that I’m used to feeling like this. I believe if some day I gеt rid of all my health issues I would be able to do something extraordinary like climbing Everest without having practice:)

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  •  IAW on

    At http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-and-other-vitamins-and-minerals/, it talks about co-factors and if you do not get enough in your diet, then you need to supplement. Now this is my personal opinion but I believe everyone that is first diagnosed with very low levels of D deficiency, should probably take a multivitamin even if you “think” you have enough of everything in your diet. Why, because at this point your body has “a lot” of “repairing” to do and probably can use the “extra”.
    Vitamin D uses a lot of magnesium to process things. Symptoms can include Irritability or anxiety, Nausea, Headaches, Insomnia, Fatigue, Muscle cramps/twitching, Weakness and constipation. Now it is actually Vitamin D that helps calcium absorb from the intestines. The symptoms of not enough calcium are muscle spasms/twitches, numbness and tingling of your fingers and toes or around the mouth (pins and needles), depression, irritability,insomnia, very low levels may cause confusion, disorientation and heart irregularities. You will notice that some of the symptoms “overlap”. Vitamin K moves calcium to bones and not soft tissues where you do not want it. This is another Vitamin that may be inadequate in most diets.
    So do I think you need the magnesium, yes. If you take too much or already have enough in your diet, it will end up giving you “loose bowels” and then you should stop or cut back on the amount you take. Do not get magnesium “oxide” because it does not absorb as well as others. Any magnesium product that ends in “ate”, for example, citrate is much better.

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  •  Silenus on

    Yet I’m on 15.000 iu a day for a week. I feel just a little bit better, but nothing significant. Now I’m reading about Vit D and male fertility. The research have shown that Vit D does not improve semen analysis results thus semen quality, but people supplementing with Vit D have increased birth rates. I don’t understand how’s that possible, other than Vit D is improving some hidden fertility factors which are unknown to the medicine? Any thoughts on this?

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  •  IAW on

    Your level is very low and it is going to take “weeks” until anything gets better. If you do not have enough co-factors (vitamins and Minerals), it will take even longer.
    You can read https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/male-infertility-can-vitamin-d-improve-pregnancy-success/. It says in this study that higher Vitamin D levels did “not impact semen quality” BUT did “increase serum inhibin B levels” which is important to fertility. It also stated that “Sperm count tended to be higher in the vitamin D group compared to the placebo group, though this did not reach significance (p = 0.07). Now this last statement is the issue. They gave an average of 3400iu a day for 150 days. They gave a very large dose in the beginning and then smaller doses for the rest of the time. Science already knows that it is better to give amounts on a daily basis. Imagine what they would have learned had they given them what I told you to take. They may have learned so much more!
    So keep doing what you are doing and be patient!
    There is a success story towards the end of the article!

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  •  Silenus on

    Hi IAW,
    Almost 8 weeks (52 days to be exact) since I started supplementing with 15,000 IU/day of D3, my levels have risen to 71,6 ng/mL (previously 11 ng/mL, when I started). How should I continue supplementing so I can stay in the healthy range? Bear in mind that the sunny days are approaching here, although I’m not quite a person, who use to stay outside for long enough.

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  •  IAW on

    Before I answer your question, I would like to know if you still have any of these symptoms or problems? Anxiety, back pain, stomach issues, depression, eyes hurt/sunlight bothers them, heart palpitations and are you the same weight or were you able to gain some weight?
    Did your wife ever get tested?

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  •  Silenus on

    Hi IAW,

    thanks for your quick reply. Everything is Much better. I still have some anxiety and stomach issues, but I know I have candida overgrowth and that’s something I’m looking to fix soon through natural supplementation. Meanwhile my wife got pregnant!!! It’s still very early into the first weeks, we found out 10 days ago. I believe these news contribute to my anxiety, considering I was pretty calm before that. Initially my wife wasn’t interested into checking her vitamin D levels, but is now willing to make extensive blood test and will include vit D in the list. We will have the results next week. I’ve started taking 600 mg of Magnesium since a couple of days and I’m feeling it makes a big difference in my mood. I can’t say I’m depressed, just a bit extra nervous about the pregnancy. I hope everything goes well.

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  •  Silenus on

    OK I’ll try to be more accurate in my answers:
    Anxiety, stomach issues – about half less severe as they were before. Quite bearable and manageable now.
    Back pain – huge improvement.
    Palpitations – almost gone
    Depression – I’m not feeling it anymore
    Eyes – I can’t find difference, but I don’t mind wearing sunglasses. It’s not something that bothers me much.
    Weight – I gained 2 kg. Not much but I’m not really trying, so it’s fine.

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  •  IAW on

    CONGRADULATIONS!!!!!
    Thanks for the answers! Your symptoms might still continue to improve.
    Now if you want to have a level more like 50ng/ml, then I would suggest taking 10,000iu a day. We usually recommend 5000iu for an adult weighing 150lbs but this will not be enough for you. So do not take less then 10,000iu a day. Your level right now is fine, so you could keep taking the 15,000iu. If you do keep taking the 15K and get significant amounts of sunshine, then your level will increase. Keep in mind that to make significant amounts of Vitamin D you have to go outdoors between 10am-2pm and have large amounts of skin exposed not just arms and face.
    If you do decrease down to 10K but start feeling unwell again, then either go back to the 15K or perhaps something between the 10 and 15K. I “personally” believe that emotional stress (and physical stress) can use up Vitamin D also, so keep that in mind.
    As for your wife. If she wants to have a “healthy” pregnancy, she needs to take 6000-10,000iu a day. If she is deficient, she may need more.
    I can not stress ENOUGH that Vitamin D is VERY IMPORTANT for pregnancy. If she does not take enough, then she will risk Autism for your child and health problems for her. If she does not take enough Vitamin D, there will not be any in her breast milk for the baby if she chooses to breast feed. https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitamin-d-during-pregnancy-and-breastfeeding/
    Go to https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/?s=pregnancy&submit=Submit#tab-blog and start reading the article titles and you will see how much Vitamin D is involved with pregnancy.

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  •  Silenus on

    Hi IAW,

    Thank you so much! I’m curious whether taking 10.000 IU/day can lead to
    Vitamin D overdose/toxicity? I’m taking 15.000 IU/day, but I believe my stomach is not absorbing the whole amount, so that’s the reason I’m in the healthy range right now. My concerns are about my wife, since she doesn’t have any health issues, could taking 10.000 IU/day rise her levels above 100-150 ng/mL and this in turn to become a threat to her health and pregnancy? Thanks for your advice!

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  •  IAW on

    The 10,000iu a day is the present, “official” upper safe amount to take. This means absolutely safe. Most people taking this amount will not reach or go over a blood level of 100ng/ml. Science does know that a blood level of 150ng/ml is perfectly safe and you would probably have to go over 250ng/ml to become toxic.
    So for you I did some “guessing” and I think the 10,000iu a day will keep you at around 50ng/ml but the only way to “prove” this is to take 10,000iu a day for 8 weeks and retest to make sure. (I was really unsure and maybe even thought you should do 12,000iu to be on the safe side.)
    As for your wife, why don’t you come back and let me know what her level is next week. (Can I assume she is not overweight?) Some woman with “natural levels”, only from sunshine, have levels over 100ng/ml with pregnancy. So the 10,000iu will not hurt her or the baby.
    If her levels are “low” right now she is going to have an increased risk for miscarriage because of this. If this is the case, then she would have to at least take a higher amount of Vitamin D right now to raise her levels up faster. So for example maybe the 10,000iu for several weeks and then lower it down. It depends on how low her level is.

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