Asked by lourdes316005900900 on September 7, 2016
IAW on September 7, 2016 at 5:39 am
First is your Vitamin D level measured as ng/ml or nmol/l because that makes a big difference?
Next you need to read http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-and-other-vitamins-and-minerals/. It is very important. After you read it, if you get a magnesium supplement do not get “oxide”.
You are correct and D3 is better for humans than D2 and D2 does not convert into D3. So you will have to buy OTC D3 and take it.
It is much better to take a smaller amount of D3 daily than to take a larger amount once a week. (If this was all that was available to you, we can work with it.)
Is there a “cause” for your heart arrhythmia? (If not I may have some suggestions.) Lack of Vitamin D can cause a lot of symptoms and health issues.
The 1.25mg of D2 equals 50.000iu.The 50,000iu of Vitamin D ONCE a week is about equal to taking 8000iu a day. Since you weigh more, you could could round up and take 10,000iu a day for 8 weeks. Eventually when you feel better and levels have increased, than, you usually go to a maintenance dosage of a lesser amount. That is usually 5000iu a day. If you weigh more, you may need to take more than that.
If you start taking the 8-10,000iu a day and start to get any new symptoms or old symptoms get worse, you need to come back and tell me. (It usually means a mineral deficiency.)
You can list all of your symptoms for me if you like. Definitely, after 8 weeks, you should come back and tell me how you feel and what if any symptoms/problems you still have.Answered by IAW on September 7, 2016 at 5:39 am
lourdes316005900900 on September 7, 2016 at 11:18 am
It is measured 19 ng/ml. Okay, would it be okay to start at 8,000 and over two weeks progress to 10,000? I’ve been come overly afraid of any new medication. Well it’s sort of a long story. At age 15 i was diagnosed with migraines. At age 16 i began having these horrible bone pains and my muscles felt very weak and painful. After countless tests, treatment, and procedures with primary care physician and rheumatologists they sum it up to me showing symptoms of juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. My joints began to swell and since then i am in pain 24/7. My knees sometimes do not lock when i put my weight onto them and i will fall if i am not careful. The cold makes all these symptoms flare up. Exercise makes them worse. Sometimes simply carrying a milk gallon for two blocks sets this pain in my entire muscles for days. Any repetitive motion wil weaken my muscle in minutes! Things i could easily do before i cannot do at all now. I feel very weak and tired all the time. Physically and now emotio ally. I took corticosteroids for a while but stopped those as i quickly gained weight. They did help alot though. Around that time at age 18 i was told i needed a beta blocker due to being tachycardic for too long. I had not realized that my heart had been 125+ every day for years. I started on a smalll dose of beta blockers 9.25mg. Over the years my PCP told me its as if my beta blocker wasn’t even making a bit of a difference, as did my cardiologist. Over the years my heart has not respomded and i went up to a dose as high of 125mg daily. I was diagnosed with hypertension at age 21 and this new beta blocker took care of that as well. I recently began having PVC’s and fainting spells with shortness of breath. The cardio has intentionally lowered the dosage to 100mg. I can no longer exercise due to the physical bone and muscle pain and my heart is easily put under too much stress from over exertion. Over exertion to me was crazy exercise once upon a time, now it is simply sweeping or mopping my house or carrying a heavy object. I will imminently loose my breath and the skipped beats begin to happen. This is becoming very debilitating. My cardio wants to talk about electrophysiology testing to find and ablate the part of the heart that is causing this. Around age 20 i began having bouts of stomach issues. I have gastritis/GERD and was diagnosed with IBS. I somehow became lactose intolerant. I have had countless endoscopies and colonoscopies. Recently i was told i had chostocondritis and my sternum is in horrible pain! EVERYTHING in my body is in pain. I feel my muscles and bones have gotten strangely weak. In 2014 i was fixing a fitted sheet on my bed and somehow managed to pull a larhe muscle in my neck causing a muscle spasm soo bad that the radiologist said it looked as if though i had a whiplash from a car accident. Sonce 2014 i have been in pain with countless trigger lidicaine injections and now looking into botox. The muscle spasms are spreading to all around my neck on a daily basis. Picture eating and suddenly you’re screaming in pain. Im very exhausted of taking muscle relaxers and feeding my body anything that bad. I have frequent kidney infections/utis. If i get a cold it lasts VERY long to go away. My immune system is very very bad (so i feel). The symptoms that come with each problem have completely consumed my life. I do not remember what it feels like not to be in pain. For the last almost nine years, this is all i have felt;pain. Somehow i ended up getting my vitamin d tested for taking omeprazole for 8+ years. It came back low and i sat there in tears simply holding onto the hope that this could all be the cause to everything. The way my health slowly plumeted was so strange to me. I can no longer do alot of things other people my age can. I am in constant pain with no relief. I really am holding onto hope that it was something very small as this and that i can get even the slightest amount of relief & catch a break! I have taken maybe thousands of medication and have countless hospital stays and am really scared of taking just anything.Answered by lourdes316005900900 on September 7, 2016 at 11:18 am
IAW on September 7, 2016 at 12:17 pm
You poor thing! I do not blame you! You may even want to start at 5000iu a day and if things go well after a week than keep boosting it up. (See magnesium note below!!!)
Every last problem and symptom you are having could be the result of a Vitamin D deficiency. I am always for “leaning to the conservative side” because I do not want to cause anyone even more pain. I am really serious that if you “start to get any new symptoms or old symptoms get worse, you need to come back and tell me” and I will help you sort it out. (A mineral deficiency could show up quickly or weeks later.)
Omeprazole causes a magnesium deficiency which could be adding to the high blood pressure and heart problems. So get some supplemental magnesium (no oxide), minimum a total of 500mg which you can take a little at each meal and do that as soon as possible! If you start the Vitamin D and have low magnesium things will get worse.
The heart issues may also be because if Vitamin D levels are low, calcium from your diet does not get absorbed. Vitamin D helps calcium absorb from your intestines. Not enough calcium will cause heart issues.
Also keep this in mind. If you have intestinal issues, that may or may not slow down Vitamin D absorption. So if at some point we think that is an issue, we may have to approach differently but will worry about that later if it happens.Answered by IAW on September 7, 2016 at 12:17 pm
IAW on September 8, 2016 at 5:01 am
One example is the magnesium. People think if you get the blood work test that measures magnesium levels and it is within range, that your magnesium levels are fine. In reality that blood test can only measure the 1 percent that is in your blood and NOT the rest of your body stores, for example what is or is not in your bones. If your blood levels go low (the 1% that is measured) you are in serious trouble. The body is designed to maintain that 1% in your blood and will take it from other areas, such as bone, in order to maintain that level Since you took the Omeprazole, you may be seriously deficient and not know it. This is on top of the fact that most people do not get enough magnesium in their diets to begin with. So now it is a “double whammy”.
Once you start taking the Vitamin D, it uses a lot of magnesium to do its processing. So if you do not have enough or already low, then that is why people start having symptoms and usually think it is the Vitamin D causing a reaction.
Another example is calcium. (The 1% holds for this to and for all mineral levels.) Now imagine first of all since you have low Vitamin D levels, calcium cannot even absorb properly from your intestines.So you are already low and your bones probably are not getting enough. Now you take the D, your body is extremely grateful and tries to start repairing years of damage. It needs a lot of D but to go with it, it needs a lot of other things magnesium, calcium to also affect repairs.Now let’s say you do not get enough calcium in your diet, same thing may happen. So you need large amounts of Vitamin D to repair but you need things to go with it. So not to scare you but for one person it happened after about 4 weeks of treatment. The really bad part was that she went to the emergency room and they told her nothing was wrong with her and sent her home. The medical people could not even recognize the symptoms of low calcium.
So some people are fine and others need the extra supplements. So if you think you may not be getting enough calcium then maybe you should supplement that too for a while.Answered by IAW on September 8, 2016 at 5:01 am
lourdes316005900900 on September 8, 2016 at 9:48 am
Okay i do know i don’t get enough calcium then since i am lactose intolerant and my diet has not consisted of much calcium. So today i will be purchasing the magnesium at 250mg and the d3 beginning at 5,000IU, but how about the calcium dosage.
& exactly when can i take these during the day. Or how would you recommend. I take omeprazole first thing in the morning and take my beta-blocker after and another inn the evening. (both with large meals for better absorption)Answered by lourdes316005900900 on September 8, 2016 at 9:48 am
IAW on September 8, 2016 at 12:06 pm
The RDA in USA is 1000mg a day. Dr. Cannell feels that most only really need 500mg a day BUT those people need Vitamin D so that amount of calcium will get absorbed properly. Sorry to not be more specific. You could aim higher and do the 1000iu a day and reevaluate that amount in two months. I would not do less than the 500mg considering what you said.
I do not have the name of your beta blocker so I could not look up if there is anything you should not take with it. The omeprazole does not seem to conflict. So I would take all of the Vitamin D in the morning with a meal. Fats help Vitamin D absorb better. Then I would also take 250mg of magnesium at each meal. (If you start having loose bowels, then you are taking too much and need to cut back on the amount.) Depending on how much calcium you get in a pill, I would split that between 2-3 meals.Answered by IAW on September 8, 2016 at 12:06 pm
lourdes316005900900 on September 20, 2016 at 4:23 pm
So i finally got all my vitamins you recommended. Thougj i got them all in gummy form since thats a whole other problem. I got calcium magnesium and vit D3. I took the 500mg of magnesium first and my stomach was NOT happy at all! I went running for the restroom and have been going since. Is this normal, suppose to happen?Answered by lourdes316005900900 on September 20, 2016 at 4:23 pm
IAW on September 20, 2016 at 7:20 pm
Sorry I am a little confused. Did you take the 500mg of magnesium all at the same time? The object was to take a smaller amount at each meal not 500 all at once. If you already have any kind of intestinal issues, then too much magnesium may cause you issues. If you ingest more magnesium than your body needs, it will cause loose bowels.
When you say “today is the first day I took them”, took what the calcium, magnesium and Vitamin D? How much D did you take?Answered by IAW on September 20, 2016 at 7:20 pm
lourdes316005900900 on September 21, 2016 at 6:06 am
Yes i actually messed up and took the 500mg of magnesium at once which is what triggered the stomach issues and i feel very nauseous. I misunderstood. I took 500mg of magnesium with a meal. Then i took 4,700 IU of D3. ( i started at a smaller dose) i then took 500mg of calcium.Answered by lourdes316005900900 on September 21, 2016 at 6:06 am
lourdes316005900900 on September 21, 2016 at 7:13 am
Yes thank you. I do believe so. As soon as i took the third gummy my stomach had already begun to act up and i got diarrhea. Or maybe because as you mentioned, i took it all together? Does the magnesium live long in the body (because this is so unconfortable).Answered by lourdes316005900900 on September 21, 2016 at 7:13 am
IAW on September 21, 2016 at 7:47 am
Now just so I am sure, the gummies you took just had magnesium and the calcium and Vitamin D are separate pills? If it was the magnesium and not some other ingredient in the gummy, then it should not take that long. My guess a day or two. If it “set off” some other reaction, then I don’t know. So I know it will sound “dumb” but do not take anymore magnesium until you are better. Than maybe just try one pill a day and see how it goes. (That is if you are not too afraid to try again and I would not blame you.)
Yesterday you also said “Then I took 4,700 IU of D3. ( i started at a smaller dose)”. So since 9/7/2016 when you started this Q and A, when did you actually start taking the Vitamin D and how much did you start with. Please be specific. So for example write 9/7 = 0
9/8 = 800 iu
9/9 = 800 iu
Thanks!Answered by IAW on September 21, 2016 at 7:47 am